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#1 eagle_fly_free

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Posted 22 May 2014 - 03:01 PM

I would like to know if Someone makes/sells quality planing forms in Europe.
I would have to exclude Switzerland as I'm not keen on paying VAT.
Thanks

#2 Tim Anderson

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Posted 22 May 2014 - 11:28 PM

Too bad you are excluding Switzerland.  Ottavio Bisaz produces some of the best planing forms in Europe ( http://homepage.blue...lform/5022.html ) and they are popular in Germany.  Some forms are also made in Italy (look here:  http://www.ffrods.co...aning_form.html ) and you could check with the Italian Bamboo Rodmakers Association (IBRA:  http://www.rodmakers.it/ ) for other possible sources in Italy.

 

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Posted 23 May 2014 - 02:26 AM

Thanks Tim! I should not exclude Switzerland then :), might have to pick them up myself though.

I thought there might be someone in Germany (given their reputation in engineering ) who makes them :)

Any reviews of Daniel Hoda's forms?

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Posted 23 May 2014 - 04:41 AM

On the "mercatino" area of the italian IBRA site is a planing form for sale:

 

http://www.rodmakers.it/mercatino-1

 

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Posted 23 May 2014 - 08:07 AM

Thanks rsa.

Do you know how good these IBRA planing form are?



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Posted 23 May 2014 - 09:52 AM

Thanks rsa.

Do you know how good these IBRA planing form are?

I've never seen one but I'm sure the quality is good. With the length of 1,98m you may use it for the onepiece rods too. One important thing is the deepness of the groove on the tip side. It should be shallow enough to allow making fine tips.. 

 

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Posted 23 May 2014 - 12:14 PM

Thanks Tim! I should not exclude Switzerland then :), might have to pick them up myself though.

I thought there might be someone in Germany (given their reputation in engineering ) who makes them :)

Any reviews of Daniel Hoda's forms?

Cheers

 

Although I haven't asked Daniel, I suspect there is a good possibility his forms are made by Ottavio.  If you check the prices, you will see that both offer the forms for 980 Swiss Francs.  They know each other well and I do know that the Baginski beveler wheels Daniel sells are made by Ottavio.

 

A couple of years ago, Rolf Baginski (the German cane-rod builder) was selling some of Ottavio's forms to his students.  Rolf and Ottavio are also friends.  Another German rod builder will be visiting me in a week and, if you wish, I can ask him where he bought his forms.

 

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Posted 23 May 2014 - 12:19 PM

Tim, great information. Thanks vey much! Please ask your friend and let me know. Cheers

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Posted 23 May 2014 - 12:42 PM

Eagle fly free,

 

you might want to ask Waldemar Novak:

 

http://www.flyfishingdesign.de/

 

He is a professional toolmaker and lives not too far away from Belgium.

Waldemar made me a few bits and pieces. He is a knowledgable man.

 

Cheers


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Posted 24 May 2014 - 12:19 AM

..or you have another option ;)....

 

Extract from Wayne Cattanaxh's book:

 

"For some people, spending $650 or so for a set of forms may be the best route. But for others, the money may seem like a lot to begin a hobby that may not pan out. In retrospect I would have to say I fell into the second slot, though it wasn't just the money. It came to this: if you intend to hand plane bamboo to tolerances of .001'' - shouldn't you be able to file and stone steel to the same tolerances? So I built my own forms, with no access to a mill. I did it with the tools I had available in my basement."



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Posted 24 May 2014 - 02:08 AM

Eagle fly free,
 
you might want to ask Waldemar Novak:
 
http://www.flyfishingdesign.de/
 
He is a professional toolmaker and lives not too far away from Belgium.
Waldemar made me a few bits and pieces. He is a knowledgable man.
 
Cheers

Canesplitter, Thanks for the suggestion. Have you seen his forms? Do you use them? Do you know anyone who has them. Just wondering as I could not find many reviews. Thanks

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Posted 24 May 2014 - 02:10 AM

..or you have another option ;)....
 
Extract from Wayne Cattanaxh's book:
 
"For some people, spending $650 or so for a set of forms may be the best route. But for others, the money may seem like a lot to begin a hobby that may not pan out. In retrospect I would have to say I fell into the second slot, though it wasn't just the money. It came to this: if you intend to hand plane bamboo to tolerances of .001'' - shouldn't you be able to file and stone steel to the same tolerances? So I built my own forms, with no access to a mill. I did it with the tools I had available in my basement."

Rsa, thanks for the suggestion. I wonder what he had in the basement though ;) some people have a lot... I should read his book before deciding, i guess

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Posted 24 May 2014 - 02:31 AM

 

 

Rsa, thanks for the suggestion. I wonder what he had in the basement though  ;) some people have a lot...

Yes, that's true!! I don't know what Mr.Cattanach had in his basement, but I do know what I had when I was making my forms...Drilling machine and some files..

 

Check this site, it's quite interesting:

 

http://www.thomaspen....com/form01.htm

 

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Posted 31 May 2014 - 10:06 PM

Tim, great information. Thanks very much! Please ask your friend and let me know. Cheers

 

My friend was just here and I found out that his first planing form (hex) was made by Ottavio.  He recently had quad forms made by another machinist.  At the same time, he had that machinist make several hex forms which my friend is now slowly selling off.  If you are interested in contacting him, send me a private message and I will give you his email address.  English would not be a problem in any communication with him.

 

Tim



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Posted 02 June 2014 - 05:35 AM

 

Eagle fly free,
 
you might want to ask Waldemar Novak:
 
http://www.flyfishingdesign.de/
 
He is a professional toolmaker and lives not too far away from Belgium.
Waldemar made me a few bits and pieces. He is a knowledgable man.
 
Cheers

Canesplitter, Thanks for the suggestion. Have you seen his forms? Do you use them? Do you know anyone who has them. Just wondering as I could not find many reviews. Thanks

 

 

Eagle fly free!

I have a planingform extension for bamboo ferrules made by Waldemar.   You probably  wouldn´t find many forms from him. As I wrote earlier he is a professional toolmaker.   Look at his site and you will see what he is capable of! 


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