ok.... i debated on sharing this.. For some reason i think i may get flamed....

I was out of threadmaster the other day.. i needed to finish a rod... Well my dad had this stuff he uses for finish on something else..(trade secret) So i ran over and got some from him to use on the rod...

well i mixed it and used it and WOW... this acts the same as threadmaster.. like exactly... self levels ... crystal clear finish.. will not yellow and uv blocking.. hmmmmmm

smells the same too.... I am almost wondering if this is the same stuff, like maybe threadmaster resells it.... (that is y i worry about getting flamed)

but anyways... the stuff is cheap.... compared to other rod finishes...

i will post a finished pic that has 2 coats on it.... keep in mind the wrap job was a fast one.. i had 2 hours to build the rod so it would have time to dry, i worked fast... had to have it ready to hit the water tomorrow....

So here is my thought... I want to share the name of the stuff with all u, but then again i almost want to sell it for some said cash (seeing how work sucks for me right now).... tell me what you guys think from the pics....

i will do a wrap with some non metallic thread and coat that for some pics later...

so who wants to try some.... who on the site would be the guy to test it out and tell us all what he thinks... i will send some to the guys you all deem worthy...lol

What's the original intended purpose of this stuff? I'm not trying to find out what it is, just wondering if it's applicable to rodbuilding.

dave

it is a finish.. Polymer Coating same as threadmaster... its used to finish coat all kinds of things... the one thing that got me about it is that it can be used to coat pictures as to preserve and protect them... it is that clear.... my dad has been using it for around 10 years now in his business... I have never seen it yellow crack or breakdown and it stays flexible in cold.... and what he uses it on takes way more abuse than it will on a rod... I read all i could on threadmaster and this stuff matches it in directions, times and uses... So i am pretty sure this is identical to threadmaster in almost every way...

I broke out the popcorn and no show. I thought you'd get a lot of hits on this. Dispensing from bulk I bet you'd do well, but at any price the cost is high if others believe it doesn't work (as well). And I'm betting it does, but rod finish is kind of like buying a box of cereal. It seams expensive until you consider how many meals you get out it. I wish you luck.

Didn't Andy Dear cook up Threadmaster in his own mad scientist kitchen?

Andy bought it in bulk although he worked with the manufacturer to get the formula's tweaked until he was happy with it. As far as I know, LS from U-40 is the only one out their that was actually developed for a rod finish (U-40 is an adhesive/chemical company) Even Flexcoat is repackaged

Gentlemen,

One must always be frugal . . . however, one does not become a master of his craft by being penny wise and pound foolish.

If you take the time to build a fishing rod with components that cost in excess of $100.00 or more, don't waste time, effort and more money on a thread finish that has never been developed for the intended purpose. For the number of finish coats you can get from just a 8oz kit of any epoxy product on the market, its not enough to ever consider anything but the "right stuff"

Preserve your quality with the proper finish . . . you will be thankful in the morning.

Charlie

but that is the thing... this is designed to be a finish... it does everything the same as threadmaster .. it just was never advertised in the rod building area... it can be used on all kinds of things... it is uv resistant, water proof.. flexible... self levels, and works great... I am sending some to someone one here to test it by doing a rod with a few diff finishes and leaving it outside for 3 months and see how they all hold up... that way we can all see how this stuff holds up compared to the others out there...

I could not agree more...

It is good to use the "correct" thing. But how does anything ever get further developed to be considered the "right thing"? To me it's foolish NOT to test out the finish and see how it performs. You could easily try it on a broken section and test it in the elements. If it's sitting outside for several months and it hold up fine I am positive it will stand up to fishing. If I could use the same thing (or something very similar) to a big name finish for a fraction of its price I would jump at the chance. If this finish is as similar to threadmaster as ctious says it is, I really wouldn't be too skeptical. We're looking for a clear, durable, smooth, uv protective finish for our wraps and that is what this seems to be. The big companies have ways figured out to make their money and repackaging under a different, more expensive, name is one of them.

In the overall cost scheme of rodbuilding, finish epoxy is probably the least expensive on a per-rod basis. I have TML in 8 oz. bottles and haven't used one fourth of a bottle so far. Figure the cost of the new stuff based on 25% of your cost of your TM product. I don't think that will make or break any rodbuilder. Now.....if someone could make a high modulus blank like the high end rods at 25% of the cost, then we might have somthing.

well I found out something interesting last night... The company that i get this stuff through is the only company that makes polymer coatings... there were 3 but 2 of them went under a few years ago... So that would mean that the stuff i have comes from the same place the makes TM.... So this has to be almost exactly the same.. I cant wait till the testing gets done....

on a cost basis ... I would be selling it at 4oz kits for $9..... 8oz kits for $15 ..... 16oz for $25

As for a name I am just going to call it.... CTT rod finish...

What kind of customer support are you offering? $15 for 8 oz. and how much for shipping and handling? $15 for 8 oz. is more than 25% of what I paid for TML.

your right... it costs for me is 25% of TM.. As I decided to sell it I am way under TM.. 8oz of TM will cost u $22... shipping in the US will be at cost... first class mail... So around $2 to $3..

As for customer Support.. I will hand out my personal Cell phone number and if you have any problems or dont like it you can return it for a full refund... I am confident in it... But I am not going to sell it yet... I am going to wait till the few guys I am sending some to, to test it and post reviews on it... I am making it a point to send it to guys that build a lot of rods... I want info on it to be readily available for all when i start selling it...

I would be very careful about making assumptions.
I was one of the Beta Testers, that helped Andy Dear Develop TM lite.

I am just saying that if there is only one company that makes polymer coatings anymore then more or less it would have to be the same company.. that was found out by research... not assumptions...

There are many manufacturers of polymer coatings. Thomas.net alone shows 68 manufacturers

my bad... i was talking with people in that business and they said that there were the only one left... but i did look at those on thomas net.. Only a few of those 68 seem to make a clear finish coating.. hmm.. I will have to bring this to there attention..

ctious
Did you send the epoxy in a dark blue bottle?

Business license and warranty?

ctious, Phishing Phool has a good point. There is more to setting up a business than shipping out a product. My personal recommmendation is that, if you are going to sell this product on the open market, you contact an attorney as to exactly what you need to do regarding business licenses, collection of taxes, liability, zoning, etc. It might save you some grief down the road.

Sounds mighty interesting - I guess one of the joys of free market is that you try and get your stuff for the best possible price. Let me know if your plan comes to fruition!
cheers
David dw





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