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#1 River Rat

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Posted 24 November 2012 - 10:24 PM

I'm going to shortly embark on my first bamboo flyrod project and was thinking about a Paul Young Martha Marie taper for a WF 5 line ('cause I've got that line and fish some streams with conditions that seem to match that rod's characteristics). I've found across several recommendations for Cattanach's posting of that taper on Hexrod, however, Hexrod doesn't have his posting, it's Tom Southwick's, and I don't see it listed under Cattanach's tapers either. As I've looked in different libraries I find a great deal of difference (0.006" to 0.012") in the dimensions between libraries for the same line weight. So, does anyone know where I can find Cattanach's post of that taper? (It isn't in Cattanach's book either - at least not that I can identify looking at the stress curve.)

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Posted 25 November 2012 - 02:48 AM

Cliff, "Martha Marie" taper is in Cattanach's book(1992), page 230. On page 229 there is a "Perfectionist" taper.. I made both, MM is a powerful 5wt, almost 6wt. Perfectionist is a true 4wt, a bit slow for my taste... I like more the Perfectionist taper from Howell's book..

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Posted 25 November 2012 - 07:56 AM

The MM is a fantastic rod. It is no 5wt. thought. A 6wt. line loads the rod perfectly!

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Posted 25 November 2012 - 09:44 AM

QUOTE (rsa @ Nov 25 2012, 01:48 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Cliff, "Martha Marie" taper is in Cattanach's book(1992), page 230. On page 229 there is a "Perfectionist" taper.. I made both, MM is a powerful 5wt, almost 6wt. Perfectionist is a true 4wt, a bit slow for my taste... I like more the Perfectionist taper from Howell's book..

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Thanks for the reply. Would you know where that taper is in the 2000 paperback edition? In that book the tapers are located between pages 176 and 189 and the book ends on page 210. Unfortunately my public library does not have that edition either.

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Posted 25 November 2012 - 10:22 AM

QUOTE (River Rat @ Nov 25 2012, 09:44 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE (rsa @ Nov 25 2012, 01:48 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Cliff, "Martha Marie" taper is in Cattanach's book(1992), page 230. On page 229 there is a "Perfectionist" taper.. I made both, MM is a powerful 5wt, almost 6wt. Perfectionist is a true 4wt, a bit slow for my taste... I like more the Perfectionist taper from Howell's book..

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Thanks for the reply. Would you know where that taper is in the 2000 paperback edition? In that book the tapers are located between pages 176 and 189 and the book ends on page 210. Unfortunately my public library does not have that edition either.

Thanks,
Cliff

Here is the taper from Wayne Cattanach's book(1992 edition): 0''-.070/ 5''-.095/ 10''-.118/ 15''-.185/ 20''-.148/25''-.163/25''-.163/30''-.180/35''-.197/40''-.211/45''-.218/50''-.232/55''-.240/60''-.248/65''-.262/70''-.280/75''-.295/80''-.300/85''-.300/90''-.300

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Posted 26 November 2012 - 08:46 AM

QUOTE (rsa @ Nov 25 2012, 09:22 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE (River Rat @ Nov 25 2012, 09:44 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE (rsa @ Nov 25 2012, 01:48 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Cliff, "Martha Marie" taper is in Cattanach's book(1992), page 230. On page 229 there is a "Perfectionist" taper.. I made both, MM is a powerful 5wt, almost 6wt. Perfectionist is a true 4wt, a bit slow for my taste... I like more the Perfectionist taper from Howell's book..

r thumbsup.gif



Thanks for the reply. Would you know where that taper is in the 2000 paperback edition? In that book the tapers are located between pages 176 and 189 and the book ends on page 210. Unfortunately my public library does not have that edition either.

Thanks,
Cliff

Here is the taper from Wayne Cattanach's book(1992 edition): 0''-.070/ 5''-.095/ 10''-.118/ 15''-.185/ 20''-.148/25''-.163/25''-.163/30''-.180/35''-.197/40''-.211/45''-.218/50''-.232/55''-.240/60''-.248/65''-.262/70''-.280/75''-.295/80''-.300/85''-.300/90''-.300

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Posted 03 December 2012 - 06:03 PM

I would like to make this taper but question station #15 @.185". Also station #25 is stated twice @.163". Would you please re-post the numbers?
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Posted 03 December 2012 - 09:00 PM

QUOTE (graydog @ Dec 3 2012, 05:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I would like to make this taper but question station #15 @.185". Also station #25 is stated twice @.163". Would you please re-post the numbers?
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I matched the taper given to one in Wayne Cattanach's 2000 edition and so can respond to your requests just in case. First, you are correct regarding station #15, it should be 0.135". Second, you can ignore one of the station #25's since they are identical. The values for station #s 20 and 30 are consistent with the values in the book. See the taper at the top of page 186, left side. It's a 7'6" 2-piece DT5 taper.

Hope that helps.

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Posted 04 December 2012 - 08:46 PM

QUOTE (River Rat @ Dec 3 2012, 10:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE (graydog @ Dec 3 2012, 05:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I would like to make this taper but question station #15 @.185". Also station #25 is stated twice @.163". Would you please re-post the numbers?
Thanks!


I matched the taper given to one in Wayne Cattanach's 2000 edition and so can respond to your requests just in case. First, you are correct regarding station #15, it should be 0.135". Second, you can ignore one of the station #25's since they are identical. The values for station #s 20 and 30 are consistent with the values in the book. See the taper at the top of page 186, left side. It's a 7'6" 2-piece DT5 taper.

Hope that helps.

Cliff


Thank you Cliff!

I don't have the book yet and thought this would be a good taper for my 13 year old twin god doughters. Will be fun to make a matching pair to get them started with.
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Posted 06 December 2012 - 11:47 AM

Sorry guys for the wrong numbers..here is the scan from the book..
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Posted 12 October 2014 - 02:54 PM

QUOTE (rsa @ Nov 25 2012, 09:22 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>QUOTE (River Rat @ Nov 25 2012, 09:44 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>QUOTE (rsa @ Nov 25 2012, 01:48 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Cliff, "Martha Marie" taper is in Cattanach's book(1992), page 230. On page 229 there is a "Perfectionist" taper.. I made both, MM is a powerful 5wt, almost 6wt. Perfectionist is a true 4wt, a bit slow for my taste... I like more the Perfectionist taper from Howell's book.. r thumbsup.gifThanks for the reply. Would you know where that taper is in the 2000 paperback edition? In that book the tapers are located between pages 176 and 189 and the book ends on page 210. Unfortunately my public library does not have that edition either.Thanks,CliffHere is the taper from Wayne Cattanach's book(1992 edition): 0''-.070/ 5''-.095/ 10''-.118/ 15''-.185/ 20''-.148/25''-.163/25''-.163/30''-.180/35''-.197/40''-.211/45''-.218/50''-.232/55''-.240/60''-.248/65''-.262/70''-.280/75''-.295/80''-.300/85''-.300/90''-.300r smile.gifThanks!Tight lines! clapping.gif


The taper for the MM in the 2005 paperback edition is at top of page 186' regs Chris from U.K.


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Posted 12 October 2014 - 03:09 PM

[quote name="rsa" post="204670" timestamp="1353856975"]QUOTE (River Rat @ Nov 25 2012, 09:44 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>QUOTE (rsa @ Nov 25 2012, 01:48 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Cliff, "Martha Marie" taper is in Cattanach's book(1992), page 230. On page 229 there is a "Perfectionist" taper.. I made both, MM is a powerful 5wt, almost 6wt. Perfectionist is a true 4wt, a bit slow for my taste... I like more the Perfectionist taper from Howell's book.. r thumbsup.gifThanks for the reply. Would you know where that taper is in the 2000 paperback edition? In that book the tapers are located between pages 176 and 189 and the book ends on page 210. Unfortunately my public library does not have that edition either.Thanks,CliffHere is the taper from Wayne Cattanach's book(1992 edition): 0''-.070/ 5''-.095/ 10''-.118/ 15''-.185/ 20''-.148/25''-.163/25''-.163/30''-.180/35''-.197/40''-.211/45''-.218/50''-.232/55''-.240/60''-.248/65''-.262/70''-.280/75''-.295/80''-.300/85''-.300/90''-.300r smile.gif[/quote

The MM taper is at the top of page 186 of the 2005 edition.
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Posted 13 October 2014 - 08:24 AM

Interesting.  That's quite a bit different, and lighter, than the 3 versions listed in the David Ray Taper Library.  Can anyone comment from experience?  That taper is on my short list of future projects, right after I finish the Dickerson "Mystery Taper" Harry Boyd posted some time ago.



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Posted 24 August 2016 - 09:49 PM

I wonder how River Rat's rod came out? A Martha Marie is my second rod up on the bench for this season. I have a confirmed taper for mine and it's pretty much the same numbers that were last posted in this thread (except for the .185 measurement, that must have been a typo).



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Posted 02 November 2016 - 06:44 PM

Well, I built the Martha Marie as an 8'-0" 2 pc 7 wt and like it well enough.  I also built the Dickerson 8015 (1955 Guide) from Howell's book as an 8'-0" 2 pc 7 wt and compared them.  Both rods were hollowed all the way back through the grip up to the reel seat.  I like the Dickerson 8015 slightly better.  Both were built using scrap strips and both have nickel-silver ferrules and they are within fractions of an ounce of each other in finished weight.  Although I like the Dickerson better, both would be good rods.


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