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Sweet Cane Rods

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In Topic: rod building classes

09 January 2011 - 01:48 PM

I should have mentioned there are classes offered by some where they teach an individual for X dollars or a clss of multiple student wher it is the amount of students
times an amount less than X. This only makes logical sense because the teaches time is being divided across more students.

When a person charges by the same per head whether it is 0ne, Four, or Eight, that student isn't getting the same time but paying for it.

Also let me say some only teach classes with a set number of students and that is fine for them but IMHO I would take a good look at the students work if possible because you all are leaving with x amount of hours from the class so maybe the rod making makes the best rod in the world, you won't be able to do that when you leave, so if you are taught by a good teacher then a class for 1-6 at (just a number here) at $1000 is going to be better than from the best maker if you pay $1000 for a class with 6-8 students.

Personally i would prefer individual lessons, not offered by many, but I don't see how a man can charge the same per head number when there are more heads, his time spent is the same for 1 as it is for 10 so you are losing out on the instructors attention to your own work and progress. If instructor A has a class with less people than instructor B and B is charging the same per head, and A and B are equal as far as class instruction, you just got less for your dollar if you chose instructor B no matter how good a rod that instructor can make and B is in it for more profit or is wasting your money on his own overhead.

In Topic: rod building classes

09 January 2011 - 01:21 PM

If is the south east I would favor Doug Hall's classes.less expensive, devoted to the actual individual student, more years of experience, smaller classes, shares more information, works to give the student access to all sources of tools, future resources, and information. Is in this to spread rod making not as an income.
You will be taught by someone more focused on you learning how to make a rod at your own level of experience and not as someone thinking they will make a rod above their head. More to do and places to stay at the locations where Doug teachers, especially in Decatur.
Doug has spent years teaching at folk art colleges/schools where the classes were never geared toward profit but to teach and spread crafts. Doug would take off from his full time job and takes the time to teach at these folk art institutions and he sure doesn't get paid what his normal job pays if anything at all. Doug will share any and all information he has on his own work as well as his own tapers and you will have any and all information he uses and/or has access to. He is a humble man too and never does any self-promotion. he doesn't promote a product because he is a retailer of it he will give you his opinion of where and how you could get the most for your dollar not pitch what he might use or have, just how he feels about it.

Harry teaches himself, and also teaches with Bob Nunley. You can't beat a Nunley rod for fishing or Nunley's experience. A rod has never been as tested as the ones Bob uses himself. he makes for function and quality with tons of experience is a vast number of fields. Now please be warned harry will try to sell you something and you could probably really use it, but be warned rod making can be expensive if you aren't careful and it is better to start slow before you start laying out money, because you might not enjoyed as much as you think and you can get some good deals on rod making tools at rod making gatherings or on the rod forums when someone gives it up or upgrades ther own equipment.

Tony Spezio has provided more ways to make rods, and tools for rod making less expensively than any other person I have seen and this is without losing any quality. He has contiuosly contributed articles on how to do this and that and make your own tools etc.

Depends on where you live really. There are a lot of classes all across the county, just not a lot of exposure to them. Some makers would lead you to believe there aren't a lot of other great makers in the US but that if far from true, there are hundreds and a lot of folks are sharing through teaching an individual. Some give individual lessons for X amount of dollars and some provide classes for 8 x X. I would want a class of 4 or less just to get the focus on my own needs. This isn't like learning from a blackboard this is hands on. I have seen rods from a certain makers class where there were 8 students and the rod a student made was planed down way too far into the power fibers and this was because there wasn't enough individual focus on each student all the time.

All mentioned are good classes, but for the dollar and cost Doug Hall is the most down to earth and experienced in Georgia. The people/person who makes Granger rods are in Georgia with great lessons being offered now. i have no personal experience with them.

If you are thinking Arkansas I would go with Nunley. If you could stay a few weeks then above any and all I would suggest Tony Soezio, never heard of him probably. He doesn't run any classes but he will teach someone who asks him at the absolute best price bar none. Tony was awarded a golden rod maker award last year at the Fly Fishing Hall of Fame, and he has done more to make rod making for the average person possible as simple and affordable as possible. Only thing and why I said a few weeks is because Tony's health issues could keep him out of his shop at times so he is probably best suited for someone who lives in his area or who might be vacationing over a few weeks time in that area. He has no secrets either, and never promotes his rods or lessons, he only sells a rod or provides instruction when someone approaches him with a request and he turns down request for his rods because he just gets too many to do. Some people boast that they have a two year waiting list, this usually means that makers is doing something besides just making rods and if they actually spent a month or two they would be caught up on all their orders. To make a standard but close to perfect rod doesn't take as many hours as people at lead to believe when using the best processes. A lot of the prep work from the past has been streamlined now and it isn't at a loss of quality.

Bill Oyster makes great rods and true pieces of art but keep in mind you won't leave his expensive class with any more knowledge or capabilities than any other class. It is like spark plugs in a engine. The engine might be in a Ferrari or a Dodge, you learn about spark plugs but it makes no difference if it is in a Ferrari or the Dodge when you learn. You get the changing plug process as a beginner. You are paying to learn the making process and the maker can't teach you their own level of perfection, just how to approach your own. Not knocking Bill here, he is a perfectionist and artist on his rods, but you won't make his rods when you leave there and he too is devoted to rod making and keeping the craft alive but classes are for income and profit not the individual student. He can teach you as much as the others but he won't teach you any more or share all his knowledge or access to it, probably most of them won't share everything, but Bill will flat out tell you he doesn't share his tapers, or has said that in the past. You won't learn or be taught a lot about taper design in a making class but a lot of the others will certainly share their own designs and gladly help you later as you get more involved.

This is all IMHO and worth what it cost you to read it but I will think you could ask how many people and rods the students have made after leaving a class. I see posts from individuals who are continuing after being taught by some than others.