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#1 Simplejack

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Posted 02 March 2016 - 08:08 PM

Taking a step into rod building and was hoping it would be ok if I posted links to all the things I planned on getting to get me started to make sure I have everything I need?

Not getting the stuff to build my rod yet, just the equipment needed first. 

I'm not going crazy custom, just nice a simple. I been tying flies and jigs and I am a member on the fly tying forum, but rod building is all new to me. 

 

I plan on making a Steelhead/Salmon rods, lake poles and maybe a fly rod, but I already have 2 I like, so I might not do a fly rod, but maybe a small creek pole to start, who knows. So the plan is about 5 in a lifetime since it will be 2 of each, 1 for me and one for my girlfriend as she is going to make some also. 

My first rod kit will be the cheapest kit I can find so we both can practice on that before we build a nice custom rod for ourselves.

 

So for now, I just wanted to get setup. 



#2 Greg LaPolla

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Posted 02 March 2016 - 10:46 PM

The Basics you would need are:

 

Wrapping jig of some sort

Drying motor

Thread packing / Burnishing tool

Scissors

Razor Blades

Thread Tensioning device

Lots of masking tape

Cork Reamers

 

I think that is the basics needed.   If I missed anything others will chime in.

 

You can see some pretty good kits here   You don't have to purchase from there but thats a good source.  Karen @ Bingham might be able to put together a kit for you similar to one on that page.



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Posted 03 March 2016 - 12:59 AM

ok thanks. I think that is what I added to my list already, so I think i'm good. The kit you provided a link for seems to be close to what i have on my list, but I think my items might be a little better option. I will list them. There might be something I don't need on this list? Also, there is not a cork reamer on my list. Would I for sure need that?

 

 

http://www.mudhole.com/Alcohol-Torch

http://www.mudhole.c...r-Thread-Sealer

http://www.mudhole.c...er-System-HWS-1

http://www.mudhole.c...-Cement-4-Stick

http://www.mudhole.com/MESHTAPE

http://www.mudhole.com/Masking-Tape

http://www.mudhole.c...ps-Sticks-10-ea

http://www.mudhole.c...-Finish-Brushes

http://www.mudhole.c...g-Thread-Finish

http://www.mudhole.com/RDS-Rod-Dryer 18 rpm

http://www.mudhole.c...onversion-Chart

http://www.mudhole.c...-RDS-Rod-Dryers



#4 John T.

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Posted 03 March 2016 - 08:37 AM

It looks like the first thing you need is a credit card with a high limit.  PM on the way.


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Posted 03 March 2016 - 12:45 PM

SimpleJack,

 

I am a hobby home builder, and while all the fancy tools are nice, you can either make or buy alot of rod building  equipment at hardware stores.  There are quite a few rod wrapping jigs that you can build for under $10, and I like mine as it is far more adjustable for wrapping tips and getting the thread packed tighter etc.  Just Google rod Wrapping jig and decide which one you like best, I like one with supports that slide and held on with wing nuts that allow the thread tensioner to move outside the supports when needed, and the supports can come in tight to support thin and bendy tips.  

 

I find I can get a lot things from my dollar store and low cost tool liquidation store, such as masking tape, aluminum mixing cups (think they are actual tart trays), I use plastic coffee stir sticks that I liberate from work.  Mesh tape is basically over priced drywall tape which I just bought a roll for $5 at Home depot, and tip top glue is basically heavy duty glue sticks, and you can buy a box for the same price as 1 or 2 sticks from a rod builder supplier.  I also built my own reamers out of old broken rod sections and 1/4 sanding belts and contact cement, I think it is flexcoat that has a good video on how to make and use, I had been using round flies for a long time, but have been recent building Spey rods and got sick of filing a single grip all weekend, and the reamer is my new favorite tool, and my forearms too.

 

A rod dryer is worth it in my opinion, but not necessary, and can be made fairly easily out of a old microwave or BBQ rotisserie motor.

 

As you are only in Washington State it might be worth it to call one of the Rod building Suppliers up in BC, as you dollar gives you a 30% discount, and shipping wouldn't be to much more than from Mudhole etc.  I like and deal with Rodbuilder Supplies and Valley Custom Rods up here.

 

Lastly the guys on this site are a wealth of knowledge, and have always given me great advice when required.  I hope you enjoy your builds.



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Posted 04 March 2016 - 03:18 AM

SimpleJack,

 

I am a hobby home builder, and while all the fancy tools are nice, you can either make or buy alot of rod building  equipment at hardware stores.  There are quite a few rod wrapping jigs that you can build for under $10, and I like mine as it is far more adjustable for wrapping tips and getting the thread packed tighter etc.  Just Google rod Wrapping jig and decide which one you like best, I like one with supports that slide and held on with wing nuts that allow the thread tensioner to move outside the supports when needed, and the supports can come in tight to support thin and bendy tips.  

 

I thought about doing it that way, but then I seen the one I linked above and it looks perfect for my personality and easy to store away when not using. Too much time collecting everything I need and putting it together because I would put more time in it then I should making it look nice while trying to figure out how it all goes together. I got so many projects going, I just don't have time to mess with it, even though it is a very good option for some. Building a rod I can make time for though :P

 

I find I can get a lot things from my dollar store and low cost tool liquidation store, such as masking tape, aluminum mixing cups (think they are actual tart trays), I use plastic coffee stir sticks that I liberate from work.  Mesh tape is basically over priced drywall tape which I just bought a roll for $5 at Home depot, and tip top glue is basically heavy duty glue sticks, and you can buy a box for the same price as 1 or 2 sticks from a rod builder supplier.  I also built my own reamers out of old broken rod sections and 1/4 sanding belts and contact cement, I think it is flexcoat that has a good video on how to make and use, I had been using round flies for a long time, but have been recent building Spey rods and got sick of filing a single grip all weekend, and the reamer is my new favorite tool, and my forearms too.

 

Thanks for the info on this. I do actually have some drywall tape, but it's very old, so I will probably pick up some fresh stuff from home depot  and skip on the one I posted above that is $15 bucks and use that money towards a cheap reamer set.

I also have a tiny bit of glue left in my carpet glue gun, so I might just use that instead.

 

​Is it easy to break a grip while reaming, especially one that is that long?

 

A rod dryer is worth it in my opinion, but not necessary, and can be made fairly easily out of a old microwave or BBQ rotisserie motor.

 

As you are only in Washington State it might be worth it to call one of the Rod building Suppliers up in BC, as you dollar gives you a 30% discount, and shipping wouldn't be to much more than from Mudhole etc.  I like and deal with Rodbuilder Supplies and Valley Custom Rods up here.

 

That's part of the reason why I'm going to get everything I need all at once. Orders of $150 or more get free shipping, plus I have a 10% discount code. After I get my tools I need, I will then start looking to where to by my rob parts. I haven't moved on to that step yet.

Are those places you mentioned good for rod building parts? Not sure if there is a large superstore online that everyone goes to or if it's spread out all over the internet?

 

Lastly the guys on this site are a wealth of knowledge, and have always given me great advice when required.  I hope you enjoy your builds.

 

I hope so to and thanks for the help :)



#7 Greg LaPolla

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Posted 04 March 2016 - 11:07 AM

I have the Batson reamer kit .  It is very easy to break a grip.  You need to be careful and take it slow.  I have several 18" drill bits from 1/4 to 1/2".  I usually find the diameter of the blank at the top of the grip then drill it out to the closet diameter I have, then ream it.  Just go slow and you wont break it.  You are reaming it not drilling it!



#8 John T.

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Posted 05 March 2016 - 09:26 AM

Greg, I tried using a long drill bit but it just chewed up the cork and, IMHO, didn't do all that great.  Also, wouldn't stay centered in the grip.  Working on another way to do sizing of the cork to minimize reaming which can be a slooooow process.  Took several hours to do one yesterday.  Got to watch some training camp ball games, though.


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Posted 05 March 2016 - 12:52 PM

All in the technique


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#10 Greg LaPolla

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Posted 05 March 2016 - 08:23 PM

What Ron said!



#11 John T.

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Posted 05 March 2016 - 08:35 PM

OK, what is the secret to drilling long grips with a drill?  Inquiring minds want to know.


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Posted 05 March 2016 - 09:21 PM

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#13 Greg LaPolla

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Posted 06 March 2016 - 01:10 PM

OK, what is the secret to drilling long grips with a drill?  Inquiring minds want to know.

 

I use my lath on the slowest speed so I can hold the grip with both hands.  The main thing is go slow.  don't try to drill from 1/4 to 3/8 in one shot.  And don't try to drill the whole thing  out in one run.  I drill until I feel  a slight bind then I pull the grip off the bit and tap it to remove all the particles.  I get about an inch or so each time.  If you don't stop and "clean out" You will tear up the cork. 

 

The flutes in the bit get packed quickly even faster once they are completely inside the cork.  

 

Pac bay makes spade bits that are sharpened on the trailing edge and are 18 inches long.  You put the 1/4 inch stem through your grip and then pull it backwards through the grip.  

 

Flex Coat Concept Reverse Pilot Bit

 



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Posted 06 March 2016 - 02:37 PM

 

I use my lath on the slowest speed so I can hold the grip with both hands.  The main thing is go slow.  don't try to drill from 1/4 to 3/8 in one shot.  And don't try to drill the whole thing  out in one run.  I drill until I feel  a slight bind then I pull the grip off the bit and tap it to remove all the particles.  I get about an inch or so each time.  If you don't stop and "clean out" You will tear up the cork.

I do all that and it still tears up.  I do like the Flex-Coat video but at $24 each, that is a bit much for the budget right now.


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Posted 06 March 2016 - 05:37 PM

Thanks a great video, thanks Greg. 





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